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Re: Retro Rocketeers

Post by ØyvindK » Sun Mar 02, 2025 5:19 am

Olaf S wrote:
Sun Mar 02, 2025 2:16 am
And the investigation will probably refer to each element involved as a sperate issue.
I looked at his web page, and you are right:
Bifrost Blade product page wrote:The items can then be individually handed out for inspection with no springs and moving parts to find.

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Re: Retro Rocketeers

Post by Rob Rand » Tue Mar 04, 2025 10:32 am

ØyvindK wrote:
Sun Mar 02, 2025 5:19 am
Olaf S wrote:
Sun Mar 02, 2025 2:16 am
And the investigation will probably refer to each element involved as a sperate issue.
I looked at his web page, and you are right:
Bifrost Blade product page wrote:The items can then be individually handed out for inspection with no springs and moving parts to find.
The mechanism reminds me of Magiro’s Babushka.

But it is strange that the ring holder stays in place after the tube is lifted and the sword is lifted…

So it remains a mystery to me how it actually works.

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Re: Retro Rocketeers

Post by RocketeerAnt » Wed Mar 05, 2025 4:59 am

Hi guys! First off wanted to thank you all for the epic discussion around the pieces :) . The collection is a real passion project and what I love to do, and so thanks so much for all the support!

Only just became a member here but just wanted to address some of the recent comments and questions in the thread regarding the Bifrost Blade.
Bit hard to get into method I guess, but you guys are on the money in one of the guesses, its just pretty deceptive in general where its hard to pin point, which it what makes it fun :) , but I'm sure you'll know which one after the following comments :) .

For the inspection, all the pieces can be inspected but yes separately. They are all fully self contained, no springs or latches to worry about. I talk about this in the tutorial but essentially it would be odd to hand out the whole set as a whole anyways, its a lot to juggle in your hands and while also inspecting each piece so really you just hand out certain parts together and others directly after and the secret would be impossible/very hard to find.

Regarding noise - I don't like to hide anything, the video wasn't edited out but there is a bit of a noise and if you listen very carefully you can hear it in the video. The thing is that the noise is disguised by a natural noise also happening at that very same moment, so as the spectator you just don't pick up on it. The other thing (also mentioned in the tutorial) is that when you first receive the piece they do always seem a little louder then they ever will again. Even just regarding general handling and normal sounds. After your first practice session the parts settle into each other and just become increasingly quieter. Also why the noise in the video was minimal.

Also in response to @David DeTenyo , I also absolutely love Crystal Clever too. I talk about it in the tutorial as I always like to touch on some history behind pieces in tutorials and give the much needed credit where its due. It was one of the first pieces I owned that really got me fascinated with the mechanics in props, and really this piece was a bit of a tribute to it and the whole Sword Through Ring genre. I just loved it so much and it had such an impact on me that I wanted to make a version of my very own with a method that I believe hasn't yet been used within Sword Through Ring effects.

One other fun thing... in the tutorial I also talk about a bonus effect where you go to slice the sword down through the ring and ringbox but instead hit the top of the ring box as everyone would expect, something seems to have gone wrong with your trick... you try again and again hit the top of the ring box. But then as you raise up the tunnel the ring box is revealed to be empty with the lid closed, as you raise the tunnel even higher the ring is revealed to be hanging from the sword! The effect being that the ring seemingly jumps/penetrates up through the box and onto the sword. This effect for me is more reminiscent of the earlier style of Sword/Rod Through Ring effects, like Vienna Magic's Ring Escape (1986) where the ring would be seen to disapear from its box and instead appear on the rod/sword.

I just liked including this bonus effect in the tutorial because it lets the Bifrost Blade set represent a more full history of Sword Through Ring effects :) .

Apologies for the novel guys, wanted to help give some insight :)

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Re: Retro Rocketeers

Post by Ralf R » Wed Mar 05, 2025 5:46 am

Hi Ant(hony),
thank you for joining this forum and sharing your thoughts with us. No needs to apologize for the "novel". It's very interesting and informative and a) confirms my suspicions about the workings of the Bifrost Blade and b) makes me even more eagerly waiting on the arrival of my order. It's my first purchase from Retro Rocketeers btw but not my last one for sure :-).

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Re: Retro Rocketeers

Post by ØyvindK » Wed Mar 05, 2025 6:20 am

Really nice that you became a member here, Anthony! You will see that quite a few of your other items has been discussed in here, but you will need to get to the full member level (10 posts or more, I think) to see all categories in here.

Feel free to post as many novels as you like, it is always nice with some background/history. I'd also like to say that your items looks very nice, and you have pretty unique and recognizable style, which is great!

From what I can see, you are using both 3D-printing (my passion) and laser cutting in your projects. However, for the nice looking metal objects (like the sword and the ring in this case), do you also manufacture those yourself?

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Re: Retro Rocketeers

Post by David DeTenyo » Wed Mar 05, 2025 2:46 pm

Anthony, I can only add that I also think it's great to have you as a member of the forum here - welcome!

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Re: Retro Rocketeers

Post by Rob Rand » Wed Mar 05, 2025 6:54 pm

What a surprise Anthony to read your post on this forum!

It’s highly appreciated! :)

The second way to perform this effect is pretty familiar to me … I have a version made by Frans Reijnier which is inspired by Viennamagic/Wolfgang Grosskopf. I’ve also made a Lego version where the ring nangs on the rod pretty high …

So yes, I am intrigued by your, maybe ultimate version of this effect because of the unusual way it works …

Hope to be able to buy it soon, I’m a bit out of cash at the moment…

I will probably buy it if it’s available on Dynamitemagic.nl….

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